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Re: Tyres for Latio
« Reply #40 on: July 29, 2009, 08:06:59 PM »
if not where do they get their tyres from? not from Sin Hong Hwa (local distributor for hankook tyres) then from where???

My guess is:

People who just bought new Avante or similar models using 185/65R15 went to Hurry Tyres to trade in their "new" tyres with/without rims which has travelled just a few hundred kilometres, to upograde to a better tyre of similar size or  bigger tyres with bigger rims.

That's how Hurry Tyres probably got their stocks.

Usually in such cases, they shd tell customers that they are selling "take-off" tyres, which shd be cheaper than brand new unused ones.

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Re: Tyres for Latio
« Reply #41 on: July 29, 2009, 09:07:48 PM »
want to improve but dont want to up size can always look at different tyre design of stock size. Look for better speed rating and load rating. not to say you must speed and carry full load all the time but it does feel better than stock toyo.

it all depend on how you want to look at /drive your car.

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Re: Tyres for Latio
« Reply #42 on: July 29, 2009, 11:58:23 PM »
want to improve but dont want to up size can always look at different tyre design of stock size. Look for better speed rating and load rating. not to say you must speed and carry full load all the time but it does feel better than stock toyo.

it all depend on how you want to look at /drive your car.


Great suggestion.

http://www.tyrepac.com.sg/Form/B2C/Home.aspx?type=TyresSearch&width=185&size=15&profile=65&season=all&brand=All&source=Home

185/65R15 tyres can start from as cheap as $77 for a China made Nankang to $125 for a Thai made Michelin.

I intend to change to the value-for-money $79 Cooper ATP during my next tyre change.

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Re: Tyres for Latio
« Reply #43 on: August 01, 2009, 12:07:48 AM »

Great suggestion.

http://www.tyrepac.com.sg/Form/B2C/Home.aspx?type=TyresSearch&width=185&size=15&profile=65&season=all&brand=All&source=Home

185/65R15 tyres can start from as cheap as $77 for a China made Nankang to $125 for a Thai made Michelin.

I intend to change to the value-for-money $79 Cooper ATP during my next tyre change.


how do u know that cooper atp is value for money????

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Re: Tyres for Latio
« Reply #44 on: August 03, 2009, 12:04:55 AM »
Nueton from indonesia is another gd tyre, authorised dealer by YHI the same ppl who brought in yokohama tyres... Gd in wet & dry condition, had travelled 20k so far but noise level still silent.
Spotted alot of rexs & evos on this brand of tyre, guess its cheap & economical.

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Re: Tyres for Latio
« Reply #45 on: August 03, 2009, 10:44:53 PM »
Nueton from indonesia is another gd tyre, authorised dealer by YHI the same ppl who brought in yokohama tyres... Gd in wet & dry condition, had travelled 20k so far but noise level still silent.
Spotted alot of rexs & evos on this brand of tyre, guess its cheap & economical.

u sure alot of rexs & evos on neuton??

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Re: Tyres for Latio
« Reply #46 on: August 04, 2009, 10:47:29 AM »
My guess is:

People who just bought new Avante or similar models using 185/65R15 went to Hurry Tyres to trade in their "new" tyres with/without rims which has travelled just a few hundred kilometres, to upograde to a better tyre of similar size or  bigger tyres with bigger rims.

That's how Hurry Tyres probably got their stocks.

Usually in such cases, they shd tell customers that they are selling "take-off" tyres, which shd be cheaper than brand new unused ones.


They should ..... but I think they did not.... well another lessons learned.... next time I checked with them... are these NEW tyres or "take off tyres"

thanks.....

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Re: Tyres for Latio
« Reply #47 on: August 05, 2009, 12:03:02 AM »

They should ..... but I think they did not.... well another lessons learned.... next time I checked with them... are these NEW tyres or "take off tyres"

thanks.....

dun mention...  so it doesnt mean that cheap deal is always good deal...

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Re: Tyres for Latio
« Reply #48 on: August 05, 2009, 11:25:03 PM »
My tires is due for changing soon. Quite comfortable with stock Toyo tire. Any bro can advise where I can change those trade in stock Toyo tires and roughly how much per piece. Thanks.

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Re: Tyres for Latio
« Reply #49 on: August 07, 2009, 12:59:10 AM »
Stock Toyo tyres cost S$90 each incl installation from Yap Brothers at Paya Ubi.

You can chk the yellow pages and call up some tyre shops to check i fthey have 'take off' tyres.

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Re: Tyres for Latio
« Reply #50 on: August 08, 2009, 06:00:25 PM »
Stock Toyo tyres cost S$90 each incl installation from Yap Brothers at Paya Ubi.

You can chk the yellow pages and call up some tyre shops to check i fthey have 'take off' tyres.

Thanks bro. I understand that some bro upgrade their stock rims and tyres immediately they collect their new car. Wondering are those called 'take off' tyres? Where usually I can find those tyres and roughly how much it cost? Should be cheaper than brand new tyres right? 

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Re: Tyres for Latio
« Reply #51 on: August 12, 2009, 01:37:12 AM »
The manual will not say that if u change the consumption will increase.

I verified this with engineers at Nissan, common science, and  common sense, and google results.... summarised below


ALL other factors are equal - threads, softness of tyres, driving habits etc.....

If the tyre is now 195 instead of the recommended 185, than there will be more contact with the road (hence wat people say more grip). More contact with the road means that there will be more friction. Science 101 will tell you that this will means that the car will need to do more work to overcome the friction, more work done by the engine, more power more fuel. (of course too small a tyre will loose grip - so optimum is given by the maker of the car - who knows best)

If the tyre is now 60 instead of 65, then the car will be lower, cos there is less "air" in the tyre between the car and the road. This will mean that the bump in the road, you can feel it "better".
and hence more bumpy ride.

If the tyre size is different from the specifications, than one turn on your axle in the engine will means more than 1 turn or less than 1 turn in the wheel and hence the distance traveled. What this means is that the odometer readings will not be accurate. Over the long run - a few 10K of km, the differences will become large enough.

I also physically checked a few Latio and found that if they put in a different profile, their tyres stick out of the rims - like going to burst like that... not sure if this is a good sign or not.

Also, as I understand it, the gear ratio etc for the car is designed for the tyre profile specified by Nissan. A different profile would surely cause some strains... what exactly I am not sure at this point.

If we want better grip, we can go for the same tyre profile, but choose the type of tyre/ rubber for wet conditions, which is usually the softer tyres if I am not wrong.

One thing to note - in racing like F1 etc, they wanted to have wider tyres for more tractions, better stability etc but they also change tyres very frequently, and the tyres uses a different type of rubber compositions than the normal ones that we use and they use Nitrogen too. The pattern in the tyres are also different for different race conditions and the softness, hardness of tyres are also factors.

One conclusion I get out of this exercise, there are a lot of science to tyres. I do not want to follow the tyre shop guy blindly (they did not explain to me the drawbacks of a different profile, only say better grip and a lot of people change and no problem! ).

I would rather play safe and follow the instruction from the people that makes the car, who would have optimized and created a balance between tyre profile and other factors FOR our normal diriving - and not race driving....

Just my 2 cents worth

- not meant to shoot anyone down or any tyre shops or any tyres down
- just sharing my experience and research....

CHEERS!  ;D

some References
http://www.answers.com/topic/tire-code

Wider tire NOT really mean more grip . .
http://newscionxb.com/printpage.html;topic=1976.0

Wider tires effect gas mileage:
http://www.saturnfans.com/forums/showthread.php?t=68454

Hope I'm not too late with my two cents. I watched a program on "SPIKE" where they were replacing the wheels and tires. The wheels were bigger and wider (15x6 to 17x8). The tires wider and lower profile. They also put bigger brakes on this car, after testing. The tire and wheel weight was close to stock. The final analysis was; slower acceleration (by fractions of a second) because the "centrifugal weight" of the wheel tire combo was moved farther from the center of the wheel. This was also true for the stopping distance (increased) until the bigger brakes were installed. I might not have all the specs. correct but the general idea I'm trying to get across is, IMO, it will look better but perform worse, except maybe cornering will be better.






Thanks for the sharing.
learnt something. I'm a noob in tyres things.
It does makes sense in having more air will take more impact thus less "feel".

One thing I always been thinking.., In F1, cold tyres runs faster right? or is it the opposite?

and one more thing, Bigger profile tyres doesn't also means more distant to complete 1 revolution? if so, it would have appeared in the odometer that it cover lesser distant? thus the illusion for higher FC?

One other thing bothers me too. sorry ah, very the layman illustration, If a Brand A car is designed with a specificed tyre size, wouldn't that the odometer is adjusted to suit 1 complete revolution cycle to complete example 1 meter? if profile changed, than 1 complete revolution cycle will means a slight deviation? But in terms of great distances travelled, it will means great differences?

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Re: Tyres for Latio
« Reply #52 on: August 12, 2009, 12:23:29 PM »
Thanks bro. I understand that some bro upgrade their stock rims and tyres immediately they collect their new car. Wondering are those called 'take off' tyres? Where usually I can find those tyres and roughly how much it cost? Should be cheaper than brand new tyres right? 

Hi, if you are looking for 15" Toyo tyres, the ones that came with the Latio, check out:
Beng Heng Tyres Batteries Station
21, Toh Guan Rd, Toh Guan Centre #01-08 (S) 608609
Tel: 68967878 Fax: 63162282


They have some connection with TC and take in a lot of these so called 'take off' tyres which are as good as brand new. Their service is very good, highly recommended.

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Re: Tyres for Latio
« Reply #53 on: August 12, 2009, 11:01:29 PM »
Hi, if you are looking for 15" Toyo tyres, the ones that came with the Latio, check out:
Beng Heng Tyres Batteries Station
21, Toh Guan Rd, Toh Guan Centre #01-08 (S) 608609
Tel: 68967878 Fax: 63162282


They have some connection with TC and take in a lot of these so called 'take off' tyres which are as good as brand new. Their service is very good, highly recommended.

Thanks bro.

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Re: Tyres for Latio
« Reply #54 on: August 14, 2009, 06:45:07 PM »
Toyo tyres from my personal experience is lousy on wet roads, rather spend on Mich or Yoko tyres.

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Re: Tyres for Latio
« Reply #55 on: August 14, 2009, 08:08:58 PM »
Hi, if you are looking for 15" Toyo tyres, the ones that came with the Latio, check out:
Beng Heng Tyres Batteries Station
21, Toh Guan Rd, Toh Guan Centre #01-08 (S) 608609
Tel: 68967878 Fax: 63162282


They have some connection with TC and take in a lot of these so called 'take off' tyres which are as good as brand new. Their service is very good, highly recommended.


do you how much does such a tyre cost?
Be safe. Go with the flo.

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Re: Tyres for Latio
« Reply #56 on: August 14, 2009, 09:08:31 PM »
u sure alot of rexs & evos on neuton??

Dats wat the sales person at YHI told me... he say they use Nueton to go track session afterwhich they come back change tyres again, its tested & proven by myself. I find dat it has pretty reasonable grips on dry & wet roads & most impt its the price dat matters.
I paid less than 1OO bucks per pcs for a 17 inch

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Re: Tyres for Latio
« Reply #57 on: August 14, 2009, 09:49:04 PM »
Toyo tyres from my personal experience is lousy on wet roads, rather spend on Mich or Yoko tyres.

In what aspects are Toyo tyres lousy on wet road?

Does it frequently cause ABS to kick in when you brake?

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Re: Tyres for Latio
« Reply #58 on: August 16, 2009, 10:55:32 PM »
Dats wat the sales person at YHI told me... he say they use Nueton to go track session afterwhich they come back change tyres again, its tested & proven by myself. I find dat it has pretty reasonable grips on dry & wet roads & most impt its the price dat matters.
I paid less than 1OO bucks per pcs for a 17 inch

wah! thats dirt cheap! Price is really attractive, but i once met a man who drives a sunny and was on neuton, he was cursing n swearing, blaming his wife for changing to neuton, and told me to stay away from neuton no matter what.

Im glad to get a different review though. Where is it made from? I know its the in-house brand for YHI, but i hardly come across its users.

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Re: Tyres for Latio
« Reply #59 on: August 17, 2009, 12:23:48 AM »
wah! thats dirt cheap! Price is really attractive, but i once met a man who drives a sunny and was on neuton, he was cursing n swearing, blaming his wife for changing to neuton, and told me to stay away from neuton no matter what.

Im glad to get a different review though. Where is it made from? I know its the in-house brand for YHI, but i hardly come across its users.

neuton is made in indonesia bro..... I got a friend who drive a rex n is using it but never really ask him abt the feedback for the tyres...