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Title: How is the FC after changing to 16"?
Post by: Redsunns on September 06, 2008, 11:29:46 AM
Anyone can give info on the FC after changing the stock rims/tyres to a 16" one?

And what is the average price for 4 x 16" rims/tyres?

Where is recommended to install bodykits? thinking of installing a few pieces will do, at least dun look so ahpek... :X

Thanks.  ::)
Title: Re: How is the FC after changing to 16"?
Post by: Keromond on September 06, 2008, 02:09:25 PM
my 1st 2 tank...b4 run in is 11.5
Title: Re: How is the FC after changing to 16"?
Post by: ralliart99 on September 06, 2008, 03:06:00 PM
Anyone can give info on the FC after changing the stock rims/tyres to a 16" one?

And what is the average price for 4 x 16" rims/tyres?

Where is recommended to install bodykits? thinking of installing a few pieces will do, at least dun look so ahpek... :X

Thanks.  ::)

mine average around 12-14km/l

60% highway and 40% normal roads
Title: Re: How is the FC after changing to 16"?
Post by: Redsunns on September 06, 2008, 03:20:26 PM
mine average around 12-14km/l

60% highway and 40% normal roads

but are you using 16" or 15" rims/tyres?
Title: Re: How is the FC after changing to 16"?
Post by: jpgyip on September 06, 2008, 04:54:15 PM

Mine is 11.5km/l with 16inch rims tyre 205/50.
40% highway 60% normal roads.
Title: Re: How is the FC after changing to 16"?
Post by: twelfth on September 06, 2008, 05:23:37 PM
hi my set up is 205/50/r16

FC 10-11 most of the time city driving
Title: Re: How is the FC after changing to 16"?
Post by: maxngck on September 06, 2008, 10:32:44 PM
hi!

mine is 11-12
Title: Re: How is the FC after changing to 16"?
Post by: chansm78 on September 06, 2008, 11:03:53 PM
Hi,

  Change my rims to 16" on the very first day. 1st tank 12.5km/l. 60% expressway, 40% normal roads.
Title: Re: How is the FC after changing to 16"?
Post by: baobao on September 06, 2008, 11:11:38 PM
My FC is 13.3 and 13.1 for the 1st 2 tanks.  :devil2:
Title: Re: How is the FC after changing to 16"?
Post by: Novellus Legends on September 07, 2008, 12:57:44 AM
14.5 to 15.5 on 205/50/R16 on 70%hw
Title: Re: How is the FC after changing to 16"?
Post by: Redsunns on September 07, 2008, 10:51:25 AM
Novellus is really a legend... 15... lol

chansm78, where u changed ur rims after getting the car? i heard that when you go straight to the tire shop, they will accept trade-in of your new rims/tyres at a higher price?
Title: Re: How is the FC after changing to 16"?
Post by: chansm78 on September 07, 2008, 11:21:58 AM
ya, first day changed higher price. Changed at Poh Heng. Maybe i first timer that why FC only 12plus. My friend can run around 14.
Title: Re: How is the FC after changing to 16"?
Post by: Redsunns on September 07, 2008, 11:23:39 AM
ya, first day changed higher price. Changed at Poh Heng. Maybe i first timer that why FC only 12plus. My friend can run around 14.

i first timer also... where is poh heng? lol. in UBI? nice choice of rims?
Title: Re: How is the FC after changing to 16"?
Post by: tayyw76 on September 07, 2008, 11:28:32 AM
Novellus is really a legend... 15... lol

chansm78, where u changed ur rims after getting the car? i heard that when you go straight to the tire shop, they will accept trade-in of your new rims/tyres at a higher price?

Hi Redsunns,

If u interested to change ur rims and tyres to 16" and u dun want to spend so much u can try soh tyres at amk. They have in house package for 16" taiwan rims and Falken 912 or Eagle F1 tyres at $950 if i remember correctly and tu can trade in ur stock rims and tyres at abt $300 to $400. Just quote Uncle Frankie (64549071) that Joshua (latioboy91) recommend u so he will give u a better price.

Pls note that I'm just post this to help bro who dun want to spend alot to upgrade their rims to 16". I dun get any commission by increasing soh tyres sales. I upgrade my 16" at Hankook Toh Guan with the play G rims and V8 tyres at $1180 (Can ask Carmodz if ur doubt the price) and i can it during the MM 2008.
Title: Re: How is the FC after changing to 16"?
Post by: tayyw76 on September 07, 2008, 11:30:11 AM
i first timer also... where is poh heng? lol. in UBI? nice choice of rims?

I will recommend soh tyre instead of poh heng. The 2 tyre shop just opposite each other. Ask Latioboy91 and he will tell u y soh tyres is better.... They have alot of rims u can view...

Note that Soh Tyre is Located at :
Blk 4001 Ang Mo Kio Industrial Park 1
#01-03 S(569622)
Tel:64549071
Contact Person: Uncle Frankie.
Title: Re: How is the FC after changing to 16"?
Post by: Redsunns on September 07, 2008, 11:36:58 AM
oh thats is cool, tayyw76.

anyway, rims brand isn't important, right? most important is the tyres? what brand wont be so slippery? last time i heard yokohama is bad? any recommendation?
Title: Re: How is the FC after changing to 16"?
Post by: tayyw76 on September 07, 2008, 11:48:04 AM
oh thats is cool, tayyw76.

anyway, rims brand isn't important, right? most important is the tyres? what brand wont be so slippery? last time i heard yokohama is bad? any recommendation?

rim brand not that important to some as some would like to have Advanti or Kyowa Racing Rims as they are the more popular rims brand. for me i go for tyres and i would recommend u hankook v8rs tyres. u will love it from the point u drive out. R u looking for installment for ur rims n tyres?? if yes then u can go to hankook at toh guan to change to the play G rims (6.71kg) and v8rs tyres with nitrogen gas.

Bro, can i ask whats the colour of ur ride? where u stay? Cos the play G have 2 colour. silver with gun metal and black with red trim.
Title: Re: How is the FC after changing to 16"?
Post by: Redsunns on September 07, 2008, 11:59:38 AM
rim brand not that important to some as some would like to have Advanti or Kyowa Racing Rims as they are the more popular rims brand. for me i go for tyres and i would recommend u hankook v8rs tyres. u will love it from the point u drive out. R u looking for installment for ur rims n tyres?? if yes then u can go to hankook at toh guan to change to the play G rims (6.71kg) and v8rs tyres with nitrogen gas.

Bro, can i ask whats the colour of ur ride? where u stay? Cos the play G have 2 colour. silver with gun metal and black with red trim.

wow CHIM leh... G rims and tyres with nitrogen gas. made it lighter?

what's the prices different between normal /rim/tyres and the one u told me? cos i thought its around 1 thousand, so prepare to pay in full...

same color as yours. haha. amtheyst grey. staying at Tanjong Pagar.
Title: Re: How is the FC after changing to 16"?
Post by: tayyw76 on September 07, 2008, 12:07:53 PM
wow CHIM leh... G rims and tyres with nitrogen gas. made it lighter?

what's the prices different between normal /rim/tyres and the one u told me? cos i thought its around 1 thousand, so prepare to pay in full...

same color as yours. haha. amtheyst grey. staying at Tanjong Pagar.

if u change ur rims and tyres at soh tyres and u dun take thier package tyres then they will charge u by per rims price of $130 (need to confirm) and add the type of tyre that u like but they dun have hankook tyres. bro, sms me its easier. I've pm u my contact liao....
Title: Re: How is the FC after changing to 16"?
Post by: arias48 on September 07, 2008, 04:51:32 PM
my 1st 2 tank...b4 run in is 11.5

Which mileage is consider run-in period?
Title: Re: How is the FC after changing to 16"?
Post by: Jazz on September 07, 2008, 07:53:10 PM
Which mileage is consider run-in period?

The first 1600km or 1000 miles as stated in your manual.  :D
Title: Re: How is the FC after changing to 16"?
Post by: Carmodz on September 08, 2008, 10:51:46 AM
hi there,

try to find a lighter than stock weight rim and it should be fine.

While size of rims does play a part in FC, but weight, driving style and driving routes does play a big part as well.

Cheers! Hav fun rim shopping!
Title: Re: How is the FC after changing to 16"?
Post by: Carmodz on September 08, 2008, 11:01:01 AM

anyway, rims brand isn't important, right? most important is the tyres? what brand wont be so slippery? last time i heard yokohama is bad? any recommendation?

tyres are the only thing in contact with the road, not the rims  ;D

every brand has a range of tyres, its rather impossible to have a tyre which is super quiet, super good wet grip, F1 dry grip, super comfortable and yet super stable at corners. Hence, what is important is to search for info on the model of tyre rather than just brand alone.

 :thumbsup:
Title: Re: How is the FC after changing to 16"?
Post by: arias48 on September 08, 2008, 09:38:11 PM
The first 1600km or 1000 miles as stated in your manual.  :D

Thanks Jazz, haven't collect my ride yet so have no idea. Within run-in period, speed should not exceed 80km/h?  :confused1:
Title: Re: How is the FC after changing to 16"?
Post by: Jazz on September 08, 2008, 10:41:46 PM
Thanks Jazz, haven't collect my ride yet so have no idea. Within run-in period, speed should not exceed 80km/h?  :confused1:

Well, I have read many articles about run in period. Focus on your RPM instead of speedometer. Many have their own views regarding this run in period thing, but most commonly people will tell you try not to exceed 2500rpm and hard braking.  ;)

But I did whack up to 4000rpm unintentionally during my run in period when I try to over take.
Title: Re: How is the FC after changing to 16"?
Post by: detach8 on September 10, 2008, 02:58:35 PM
guys, dont forget when u change rims and tyre sizes your car measure mileage differently... and that will result in inaccurate FC reading. u have to compensate the gain/loss in mileage

some bros here posted the site to calculate, dunno go where liao
Title: Re: How is the FC after changing to 16"?
Post by: burnolise on September 11, 2008, 08:46:57 AM
Well, I have read many articles about run in period. Focus on your RPM instead of speedometer. Many have their own views regarding this run in period thing, but most commonly people will tell you try not to exceed 2500rpm and hard braking.  ;)

But I did whack up to 4000rpm unintentionally during my run in period when I try to over take.

When I bought my first car abt 3 yrs ago...no one told me tat I should not wack the rpm to above 2500....so within 1st week of car collection....i wack it above 4000rpm....then when the car is abt 8 mth old....i drove it to malacca....then...the car feels kind of ko yak after tat....nowadays....i dun drive my new car to malaysia again....i think some car can't take long distance drive....
Title: Re: How is the FC after changing to 16"?
Post by: clarence on September 11, 2008, 09:34:50 AM
What about those who buy test drive car?

Even worse.

Already red lined countless times from the start for at least 1,000km before it is sold at a $1,000 discount.
Title: Re: How is the FC after changing to 16"?
Post by: burnolise on September 11, 2008, 09:47:14 AM
What about those who buy test drive car?

Even worse.

Already red lined countless times from the start for at least 1,000km before it is sold at a $1,000 discount.

Either ignorant or desperate for the 1k discount lor...I almost tot of buying a Mazda2 show room car....then found out tat it is only 1k discount....so didn't buy....
Title: Re: How is the FC after changing to 16"?
Post by: arias48 on September 11, 2008, 10:36:49 AM
Either ignorant or desperate for the 1k discount lor...I almost tot of buying a Mazda2 show room car....then found out tat it is only 1k discount....so didn't buy....

TCM only give $500 discount for latio showroom car.   :crying:
Title: Re: How is the FC after changing to 16"?
Post by: Jazz on September 11, 2008, 10:46:58 PM
When I bought my first car abt 3 yrs ago...no one told me tat I should not wack the rpm to above 2500....so within 1st week of car collection....i wack it above 4000rpm....then when the car is abt 8 mth old....i drove it to malacca....then...the car feels kind of ko yak after tat....nowadays....i dun drive my new car to malaysia again....i think some car can't take long distance drive....

Well, some expertise mentioned we need to whack the car hard during run-in period.  :smile:
Title: Re: How is the FC after changing to 16"?
Post by: Jazz on September 11, 2008, 10:53:22 PM
Either ignorant or desperate for the 1k discount lor...I almost tot of buying a Mazda2 show room car....then found out tat it is only 1k discount....so didn't buy....

Showroom car is o.k to buy.  :smile:
Title: Re: How is the FC after changing to 16"?
Post by: clarence on September 12, 2008, 01:14:24 PM
Just have to make sure that the leather seats are thoroughly cleaned.

The beige seats I saw in the Bt Timah branch showroom Latio had turned brown and had a slimy shine on it.

And if necessary, get  Tan Chong to re-upholstery the seats as the sides of the seats tend to be flat as a result of many people getting in and out of the car.
Title: Re: How is the FC after changing to 16"?
Post by: Carmodz on September 12, 2008, 02:56:20 PM
Rims topic, not buying showroom car topic guys.
Title: Re: How is the FC after changing to 16"?
Post by: Redsunns on September 29, 2008, 11:45:33 PM
wootx. collected the car yesterday and surprised that the facelift look much better than before... even the rims became more chio le... so dun need to change to 16" liao... hahaha. $ saved... :X
Title: Re: How is the FC after changing to 16"?
Post by: jaster on September 30, 2008, 11:00:43 AM
wootx. collected the car yesterday and surprised that the facelift look much better than before... even the rims became more chio le... so dun need to change to 16" liao... hahaha. $ saved... :X
Arghh... how you get your car so early? I'm still waiting for mine. SE says Tan Chong say that the PDI (whatever that is) is on 5th oct. Sigh, after that I still need to wait for LTA inspection of the OPC plate. I also bought the same car and color as you.  :(
Title: Re: How is the FC after changing to 16"?
Post by: tayyw76 on September 30, 2008, 06:33:57 PM
wootx. collected the car yesterday and surprised that the facelift look much better than before... even the rims became more chio le... so dun need to change to 16" liao... hahaha. $ saved... :X
The rim look nice but its still 15"... u can see very thick sidewall....like that where got chio.....
Title: Re: How is the FC after changing to 16"?
Post by: Carmodz on October 01, 2008, 04:00:38 AM
The rim look nice but its still 15"... u can see very thick sidewall....like that where got chio.....

new FL latio has a pcd of 4x114.3
Title: Re: How is the FC after changing to 16"?
Post by: alangohek on October 01, 2008, 03:46:41 PM
wootx. collected the car yesterday and surprised that the facelift look much better than before... even the rims became more chio le... so dun need to change to 16" liao... hahaha. $ saved... :X
Hi what's the tyre spec? Is it still 185/65 Toyo J50?
Title: Re: How is the FC after changing to 16"?
Post by: clarence on October 01, 2008, 11:52:13 PM
No change in tyre size for face lift Latio.
Title: Re: How is the FC after changing to 16"?
Post by: iagree on October 02, 2008, 11:31:32 AM
hi all

I donno whether i shld chg my tyre to bigger size or not , current stock tyre is 15"?

If i chg to 16", shld consume more fuel right? but more stable and can speed faster & more stable?

chg to GR80 or other better tyres?

regards.
Title: Re: How is the FC after changing to 16"?
Post by: Jazz on October 02, 2008, 10:02:43 PM
hi all

I donno whether i shld chg my tyre to bigger size or not , current stock tyre is 15"?

If i chg to 16", shld consume more fuel right? but more stable and can speed faster & more stable?

chg to GR80 or other better tyres?

regards.

Bro,

Just change, but dun think you can find GR80 anymore.  :D
Title: Re: How is the FC after changing to 16"?
Post by: tayyw76 on October 03, 2008, 12:04:51 AM
Bro,

Just change, but dun think you can find GR80 anymore.  :D

Change to Hankook V8Rs lah... better than GR 80...
Title: Re: How is the FC after changing to 16"?
Post by: iagree on October 03, 2008, 01:11:14 AM
Bro,

Just change, but dun think you can find GR80 anymore.  :D

Hi Jazz,

What happened? No more in production?

Change to Hankook V8Rs lah... better than GR 80...

Hi Tay,

Oh, hankook is good? Price?
Title: Re: How is the FC after changing to 16"?
Post by: clarence on October 03, 2008, 01:23:05 PM
Bro,

Just change, but dun think you can find GR80 anymore.  :D

iagree,

GR80 is still in production.

You can still get GR80 at Leong Seng Tyres  :smile:

http://www.lstauto.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=97
Title: Re: How is the FC after changing to 16"?
Post by: iagree on October 03, 2008, 03:16:18 PM
iagree,

GR80 is still in production.

You can still get GR80 at Leong Seng Tyres  :smile:

http://www.lstauto.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=97

Hi clarence,

Ohhh, why at leong seng?
I was at HengTyre (Htyre), change alrady coz my tyres cannot be patched :(
Title: Re: How is the FC after changing to 16"?
Post by: iagree on October 03, 2008, 05:40:56 PM
Hi

I called Leong Seong liao

GR80 185/R15, S$100 and above
195/R15, S$13x
205/R15, S$180+

Gosh!!!!
Title: Re: How is the FC after changing to 16"?
Post by: Jazz on October 03, 2008, 11:37:13 PM
Hi Jazz,

What happened? No more in production?

Hi Tay,

Oh, hankook is good? Price?

Yep, no more in production, replaced by ER10 IIRC. So do not listen to BS and mis-leading info again just because LS only has 1 set left and not sure what is the year made.
Title: Re: How is the FC after changing to 16"?
Post by: Jazz on October 03, 2008, 11:43:47 PM
Hi

I called Leong Seong liao

GR80 185/R15, S$100 and above
195/R15, S$13x
205/R15, S$180+

Gosh!!!!

For 15" so ex ? Maybe last set. Ask TC still available or not. Else get Hankook V2 or K415 lor.  :D
Title: Re: How is the FC after changing to 16"?
Post by: tayyw76 on October 04, 2008, 12:44:29 AM
Hi Tay,

Oh, hankook is good? Price?

To me i find hankook tyres good. for price think u check with carmodz aka ken will be better...
Title: Re: How is the FC after changing to 16"?
Post by: iagree on October 06, 2008, 12:38:32 PM
Yep, no more in production, replaced by ER10 IIRC. So do not listen to BS and mis-leading info again just because LS only has 1 set left and not sure what is the year made.

Hi Jazz

I see. Too late liao, coz i already changed.
I don't know the year made for the 4 pcs of GR80. haha.
I changed all 4 at HTyre (Htyre.com) - Heng Tyre @ S$110/= per piece before 7% GST!

Regards.
Title: Re: How is the FC after changing to 16"?
Post by: iagree on October 06, 2008, 12:40:18 PM
For 15" so ex ? Maybe last set. Ask TC still available or not. Else get Hankook V2 or K415 lor.  :D

Hi Jazz,

Like that huh...
NSman did tell me Hankook V2 is good also. But i only know GR80 is good. Haha. Too many brains, so I just simply take.
But I don't know we need to ask and check for the year made for the tyres. Haha...
Title: Re: How is the FC after changing to 16"?
Post by: Jazz on October 06, 2008, 03:38:02 PM
Hi Jazz,

Like that huh...
NSman did tell me Hankook V2 is good also. But i only know GR80 is good. Haha. Too many brains, so I just simply take.
But I don't know we need to ask and check for the year made for the tyres. Haha...

Hello iagree,
Actually I also din bother about the year made also. To me if the tyres is properly sealed and storage, dun see much of a problem, same like digitals, ICs etc.
Title: Re: How is the FC after changing to 16"?
Post by: clarence on October 06, 2008, 04:54:19 PM
Unless the tyres are stored in a termperature and humidity controlled environment, they will deteriorate over time even if properly sealed.

It is like driving a time bomb if your "New" tyres are actually old tyres that have been sitting in the warehouse for some time.
Title: Re: How is the FC after changing to 16"?
Post by: iagree on October 06, 2008, 05:37:22 PM
Hello iagree,
Actually I also din bother about the year made also. To me if the tyres is properly sealed and storage, dun see much of a problem, same like digitals, ICs etc.

Hi Jazz

i aso agree with u.
u know what's the 1st thing came to my mind after they fixed the new tyres for me? i asked the guy, are all the 4 tyres tightened already? i scare the tyres fly out :(
Title: Re: How is the FC after changing to 16"?
Post by: iagree on October 06, 2008, 05:38:22 PM
Unless the tyres are stored in a termperature and humidity controlled environment, they will deteriorate over time even if properly sealed.

It is like driving a time bomb if your "New" tyres are actually old tyres that have been sitting in the warehouse for some time.

Hi clarence buddy,

I don't think GR80 will be so low in sales vol until they hv to stock up for ages to sell it off?
I think shld be ok kua... no fear?

Regards.
Title: Re: How is the FC after changing to 16"?
Post by: LatioR on October 07, 2008, 12:43:10 AM
Unless the tyres are stored in a termperature and humidity controlled environment, they will deteriorate over time even if properly sealed.

It is like driving a time bomb if your "New" tyres are actually old tyres that have been sitting in the warehouse for some time.

Hi Jazz/iagree, AGREED with clarence, hv been informed that the tyre after certain time (not sure how long lah..), the quality will deteriorate, eg. the rubber will become too hard and not advisable for long distance travel...
Title: Re: How is the FC after changing to 16"?
Post by: Jazz on October 07, 2008, 08:14:24 AM
Hi Jazz

i aso agree with u.
u know what's the 1st thing came to my mind after they fixed the new tyres for me? i asked the guy, are all the 4 tyres tightened already? i scare the tyres fly out :(

Ya, read the news around 3 months ago that a Mitsubishi EX just came out from service, 1 of his tyre just dropped off.
Title: Re: How is the FC after changing to 16"?
Post by: Jazz on October 07, 2008, 08:27:17 AM
Hi Jazz/iagree, AGREED with clarence, hv been informed that the tyre after certain time (not sure how long lah..), the quality will deteriorate, eg. the rubber will become too hard and not advisable for long distance travel...

Morning LatioR,
I have read that the rubber will hardened if exposed to UV, heat and water, usually this apply to used tyres. But for brand new that are properly sealed can last for quite some time but nobody dare to commit the lifespan.

You can still drive with your stock toyo tyre for more than 3 yrs for 47,000km already, so dun tell me if the same manufactured date that is sealed cannot be use ? Logic ? Maybe the tyre shop will sell at a discount for long storage for new tyres ? And I have not heard of expiry date for tyres.

Anyway it a good practice to check your tyres regularly.  ;)
Title: Re: How is the FC after changing to 16"?
Post by: burnolise on October 07, 2008, 08:45:54 AM
Ya, read the news around 3 months ago that a Mitsubishi EX just came out from service, 1 of his tyre just dropped off.

So the moral of the story...dun buy Mitsubishi Ex...buy Latio!!!:yehyeh: :yehyeh: :yehyeh:
Title: Re: How is the FC after changing to 16"?
Post by: clarence on October 07, 2008, 09:40:12 AM
Morning LatioR,
I have read that the rubber will hardened if exposed to UV, heat and water, usually this apply to used tyres. But for brand new that are properly sealed can last for quite some time but nobody dare to commit the lifespan.

You can still drive with your stock toyo tyre for more than 3 yrs for 47,000km already, so dun tell me if the same manufactured date that is sealed cannot be use ? Logic ? Maybe the tyre shop will sell at a discount for long storage for new tyres ? And I have not heard of expiry date for tyres.

Anyway it a good practice to check your tyres regularly.  ;)

There is actually a greater possibility for new tyres in storage to deteriorate faster as the rubber is not "flexed", ie. not being rotated, as fitted on a car and being driven.

Even your pencil eraser will harden if not used over a prolonged period.

That is also how a new tyre fitted to a car can get flat spot if the owner travels overseas frequently, seldom uses his car and the parked car's tyres are left to carry the weight of the car on just one spot.

Unless the sealed tyres are stored in a temperature and humidity controlled environment, there is a even higher possibility of mid dew and mould and fungus building up on the tyres, beneath the warmth of the wrappers.

Title: Re: How is the FC after changing to 16"?
Post by: Jazz on October 07, 2008, 11:01:19 PM
There is actually a greater possibility for new tyres in storage to deteriorate faster as the rubber is not "flexed", ie. not being rotated, as fitted on a car and being driven.

Even your pencil eraser will harden if not used over a prolonged period.

That is also how a new tyre fitted to a car can get flat spot if the owner travels overseas frequently, seldom uses his car and the parked car's tyres are left to carry the weight of the car on just one spot.

Unless the sealed tyres are stored in a temperature and humidity controlled environment, there is a even higher possibility of mid dew and mould and fungus building up on the tyres, beneath the warmth of the wrappers.



Hi,
You are telling us a brand new tyre will "deteriorate" faster than a used tyre ?

Your eraser analogy is based on new or used, if used I agreed to a certain extend but if new sealed with plastic under room temperature then I dare to challenge you with my >20 yrs old Stabilo rubber with me, the elasticity is still strong.

Do you know exactly what is a flat spot ? Pls refer to this http://www.bikewebsite.com/bikeof.htm (http://www.bikewebsite.com/bikeof.htm). So pls do us a favour, you will not happy if I tell you BS or mis-leading info again, you know where you stand. Peace.
Title: Re: How is the FC after changing to 16"?
Post by: LatioR on October 08, 2008, 10:25:13 PM
Hi,
You are telling us a brand new tyre will "deteriorate" faster than a used tyre ?

Your eraser analogy is based on new or used, if used I agreed to a certain extend but if new sealed with plastic under room temperature then I dare to challenge you with my >20 yrs old Stabilo rubber with me, the elasticity is still strong.

Do you know exactly what is a flat spot ? Pls refer to this http://www.bikewebsite.com/bikeof.htm (http://www.bikewebsite.com/bikeof.htm). So pls do us a favour, you will not happy if I tell you BS or mis-leading info again, you know where you stand. Peace.

Hi jazz, for me, I don't have any fact of how long the tyre quality will deteriorate but ever change my spare tyre of age > 14yrs (i guessed) which is never been used before as it's still look brand new. Once you look at the tyre, the colour look very funny (eg..look like very shining with really dark black which doesn't look like normal tyre and really you can feel that it's have became harden). Again, been advise by my cousin in law who owned the tyre shop is Malaysia, it's not advisable for long distance travel, even though talking abt >30km and that why after replacing the worn out tyre (with minimum thread left), i changed the spare tyre with the used tyre which at least still can allow me to travel for 100 ~200km (i guess)... :D
Title: Re: How is the FC after changing to 16"?
Post by: Jazz on October 08, 2008, 10:56:21 PM
Hi jazz, for me, I don't have any fact of how long the tyre quality will deteriorate but ever change my spare tyre of age > 14yrs (i guessed) which is never been used before as it's still look brand new. Once you look at the tyre, the colour look very funny (eg..look like very shining with really dark black which doesn't look like normal tyre and really you can feel that it's have became harden). Again, been advise by my cousin in law who owned the tyre shop is Malaysia, it's not advisable for long distance travel, even though talking abt >30km and that why after replacing the worn out tyre (with minimum thread left), i changed the spare tyre with the used tyre which at least still can allow me to travel for 100 ~200km (i guess)... :D

Hi LatioR,
You bought a second hand car which is 14 yrs old or you really owned a car for 14 yrs ?  :ohmy:

I have searched the web and found no one dare to commit or estimate the lifespan of a tyre. I agree on your spare tyre explanation coz the tyre is not sealed and is exposed to heat therefore it will definitely harden. But how many of us will bother to change our spare tyre ?  :smile:
Title: Re: How is the FC after changing to 16"?
Post by: LatioR on October 09, 2008, 09:49:15 PM
Hi LatioR,
You bought a second hand car which is 14 yrs old or you really owned a car for 14 yrs ?  :ohmy:

I have searched the web and found no one dare to commit or estimate the lifespan of a tyre. I agree on your spare tyre explanation coz the tyre is not sealed and is exposed to heat therefore it will definitely harden. But how many of us will bother to change our spare tyre ?  :smile:

Hi Jazz, no lah, i bought the used car, toyota corolla 1.6M (abt ~2.5yrs ago) which is still look good and do not wish to pay installment for too long (=> used car is better option then). The FC for a start still can hit ~11km/l but at the time I sold it, the FC is abt 8.5km/l liao and decided to change to Latio (instead of Altis) and in turn, can save me abt $150 ~ $200/mth or $1.8k to $2k per annual.. :yehyeh:
Title: Re: How is the FC after changing to 16"?
Post by: Ying on October 10, 2008, 11:08:23 AM
LatioR,
        How you put a 185/65/15 tyre in the spare tyre compartment? I wanted to do that last time (the tyre shop offer to sell me a lonely 15inch sport rim for spare tire @$50) but it does not fit well, the depth of the compartment is not enough.

        There are occation I have to drive on long malaysian small road at night, I will be the type of person who bother to change the spare tyre to normal size, Spare tire can not make it on those road. 
Title: Re: How is the FC after changing to 16"?
Post by: LatioR on October 10, 2008, 09:50:56 PM

Hi ying, sorry to dissaponited u as the spare tyre is refer to my old car spare tyre not the latio lah :smile: Not sure how to do
the same to latio :out:
Title: Re: How is the FC after changing to 16"?
Post by: clarence on October 11, 2008, 08:50:21 AM
LatioR,
        How you put a 185/65/15 tyre in the spare tyre compartment? I wanted to do that last time (the tyre shop offer to sell me a lonely 15inch sport rim for spare tire @$50) but it does not fit well, the depth of the compartment is not enough.

        There are occation I have to drive on long malaysian small road at night, I will be the type of person who bother to change the spare tyre to normal size, Spare tire can not make it on those road. 


My Latio spare tyre is also 185/65R15 on those black steel rims. As long as you sports rims is of  a similar size, it shoudl fit in the spare tyre compartment. It should not bulge out as the width is the same as stock tyre at 185.
Title: Re: How is the FC after changing to 16"?
Post by: LatioR on October 12, 2008, 11:45:25 PM
Thanks Clarence for the clarification, should do the same when plan to change 2 of the 4 stock tyres early next year. Thanks. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: How is the FC after changing to 16"?
Post by: Silver on October 12, 2008, 11:49:15 PM
just bear to check if the spare tyre compartments of the first few batches of Latio are shallower than those of the later batches
Title: Re: How is the FC after changing to 16"?
Post by: Ying on October 13, 2008, 11:09:52 AM
just bear to check if the spare tyre compartments of the first few batches of Latio are shallower than those of the later batches

I think so, mine is early batch. me and the tire shop owner had try to fit in a 185/65/15 but really can't and the spare tyre is smaller than stock tire.
Title: Re: How is the FC after changing to 16"?
Post by: clarence on October 13, 2008, 01:50:21 PM
Hi,
You are telling us a brand new tyre will "deteriorate" faster than a used tyre ?

Your eraser analogy is based on new or used, if used I agreed to a certain extend but if new sealed with plastic under room temperature then I dare to challenge you with my >20 yrs old Stabilo rubber with me, the elasticity is still strong.

Do you know exactly what is a flat spot ? Pls refer to this http://www.bikewebsite.com/bikeof.htm (http://www.bikewebsite.com/bikeof.htm). So pls do us a favour, you will not happy if I tell you BS or mis-leading info again, you know where you stand. Peace.

I don't think your Stabilo eraser has to bear the weight of a 1.2 tonne vehicle.   :glare:

A sealed tyre even when placed at room temperature in the warehouse is subject to the punishing moisture from the surroundings and high temperatures. The "sealed" wrapper is not air tight.

If you don't believe, you go and try to buy those on "Sale" and "new" sealed tyres that have been sealed and kept in the warehouse at room temperature for a few years, and install them in your Latio.

Then maybe you can come back and tell us if you are still alive after using those "New and Sealed Tyres."    :D

And please don't ask me if this is hear say or if I've tried it. I'm waiting for you to be the guinea pig.   :bleh:
Title: Re: How is the FC after changing to 16"?
Post by: vortex on October 13, 2008, 08:29:31 PM
A sealed tyre even when placed at room temperature in the warehouse is subject to the punishing moisture from the surroundings and high temperatures. The "sealed" wrapper is not air tight.


I'm more in favour of bro clarence. Given the hot climate and humidity, even for the so called 'sealed' tyres will not last forever. Moreover the permeability of the oxygen will penetrate into the 'wrapper' of the tyre and cause gradually deterioration of the rubber. Of course if in cold climate, the condition would have been better, meaning longer shelf life. This is a fact ! Oxygen, light and moisture are some of the worst 'enemies' for a stable product.

Peace ! Just share what our belief. It may be different school of thoughts  :smile:

Title: Re: How is the FC after changing to 16"?
Post by: Jazz on October 13, 2008, 10:11:47 PM
I don't think your Stabilo eraser has to bear the weight of a 1.2 tonne vehicle.   :glare:

A sealed tyre even when placed at room temperature in the warehouse is subject to the punishing moisture from the surroundings and high temperatures. The "sealed" wrapper is not air tight.

If you don't believe, you go and try to buy those on "Sale" and "new" sealed tyres that have been sealed and kept in the warehouse at room temperature for a few years, and install them in your Latio.

Then maybe you can come back and tell us if you are still alive after using those "New and Sealed Tyres."    :D

And please don't ask me if this is hear say or if I've tried it. I'm waiting for you to be the guinea pig.   :bleh:

I not sure what do you mean by eraser bear the weight of 1.2 tonne vehicle, maybe a moron will understand you since you started this pencil eraser assumption.

Are you working in a tyre company or still schooling ? How do you know it not properly sealed and not tight ?

As I mentioned, pls do not be insinuating and be a smart alec generate groundless facts like flatspot etc.

If you buy for me, I will dare to be your guinea pig, do you dare to take this challenge ?
Title: Re: How is the FC after changing to 16"?
Post by: Jazz on October 13, 2008, 10:20:29 PM
I'm more in favour of bro clarence. Given the hot climate and humidity, even for the so called 'sealed' tyres will not last forever. Moreover the permeability of the oxygen will penetrate into the 'wrapper' of the tyre and cause gradually deterioration of the rubber. Of course if in cold climate, the condition would have been better, meaning longer shelf life. This is a fact ! Oxygen, light and moisture are some of the worst 'enemies' for a stable product.

Peace ! Just share what our belief. It may be different school of thoughts  :smile:



Helli vortex,

Just 1 point to share, do you think distributors or retailers will want to lose money for those not sellable tyres ? There are always ways and means to recover or recycle all these unuse tyres if they do not have proper storage place. Secondly they are able to export to those 3rd world country, that what I know of.
Title: Re: How is the FC after changing to 16"?
Post by: LatioR on October 13, 2008, 10:21:07 PM
I not sure what do you mean by eraser bear the weight of 1.2 tonne vehicle, maybe a moron will understand you since you started this pencil eraser assumption.

Are you working in a tyre company or still schooling ? How do you know it not properly sealed and not tight ?

As I mentioned, pls do not be insinuating and be a smart alec generate groundless facts like flatspot etc.

If you buy for me, I will dare to be your guinea pig, do you dare to take this challenge ?

Hi Jazz & Clarence, do not need to be so serious one mah..to each is his own mah..just share yr advise/opinion and let the rest to decide who to believe in lah..  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: How is the FC after changing to 16"?
Post by: clarence on October 14, 2008, 09:42:05 AM
No worries.  ;D

A forum is for sharing.  :D

Just some healthy discussion.  :thumbsup:

But Jazz called me a moron for no reason.   :confused1:    :weep:   :crycry:
Title: Re: How is the FC after changing to 16"?
Post by: Jazz on October 14, 2008, 10:10:10 PM
No worries.  ;D

A forum is for sharing.  :D

Just some healthy discussion.  :thumbsup:

But Jazz called me a moron for no reason.   :confused1:    :weep:   :crycry:

Ahem, dun put words into my mouth hor, did I called you names ? Pls read again.  ::)
Title: Re: How is the FC after changing to 16"?
Post by: vortex on October 15, 2008, 02:48:21 PM
Helli vortex,

Just 1 point to share, do you think distributors or retailers will want to lose money for those not sellable tyres ? There are always ways and means to recover or recycle all these unuse tyres if they do not have proper storage place. Secondly they are able to export to those 3rd world country, that what I know of.

Of course the distributors will not lose money to keep the unsellable tyres, hence they will push for products that are close to expiry dates. I saw someway in the website that we should not buy tyres that are around 4 years old.

Hence old types do have quality issue even they are properly sealed.  :smile:

Think they are misunderstanding between you and clarence. Sometimes exchange of words can be quite hot, even thought they do not meant to be nasty. Let's put everthing behind to make this forum a better place to share ideas and comments.  :smile:
Title: Re: How is the FC after changing to 16"?
Post by: Redsunns on October 15, 2008, 03:03:28 PM
wow 4 pages, but most posts do not link to the thread title.  :zipped:
Title: Re: How is the FC after changing to 16"?
Post by: Jazz on October 15, 2008, 10:28:56 PM
Of course the distributors will not lose money to keep the unsellable tyres, hence they will push for products that are close to expiry dates. I saw someway in the website that we should not buy tyres that are around 4 years old.

Hence old types do have quality issue even they are properly sealed.  :smile:

Think they are misunderstanding between you and clarence. Sometimes exchange of words can be quite hot, even thought they do not meant to be nasty. Let's put everthing behind to make this forum a better place to share ideas and comments.  :smile:

Hello vortex,
This is my last reply to this thread. I have some knowledge and info how the tyres are being disposed and recycle. But I won't force you to believe. In SG if you are able to find a >4 yrs old new tyres, you will kena Big Sweep.  :smile:

I have a colleague who are quite a low mileage user, clocked slightly less than 30,000km for going 5 years of usage before upgrading his car. When we get to know of it, we simply ask why he did not change his tyres, he simply shrugged his shoulder and say still in good condition. So my message is simple, is a sealed and in controlled storage environment tyres worst than a used which exposed to heat, water, dirt and humidity tyre ? I not trying to prove I right but wanna lay the logic behind. As for this clarence, let you slowly learn about him.  ;)

Peace.