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Article on CVT (Post relevent CVT information here!)
« on: October 27, 2006, 05:16:36 PM »
Hi bro and sis.. found this article on cvt..

     
CVT Benefits and Test Drives
Continuously variable transmissions are becoming more popular for good reason. They boast several advantages that make them appealing both to drivers and to environmentalists. The table below describes some of the key features and benefits of CVTs.
                                                              Advantages of CVTs          
Feature : Constant, stepless acceleration from a complete stop to cruising speed                                                                             
Benefit : Eliminates "shift shock" -- makes for a smoother ride

Feature : Works to keep the car in its optimum power range regardless of how fast the car is traveling
Benefit : Improved fuel efficiency

Feature : Responds better to changing conditions, such as changes in throttle and speed
Benefit : Eliminates gear hunting as a car decelerates, especially going up a hill

Feature : Less power loss in a CVT than a typical automatic transmission
Benefit : Better acceleration

Feature : Better control of a gasoline engine's speed range
Benefit : Better control over emissions

Feature : Can incorporate automated versions of mechanical clutches
Benefit : Replace inefficient fluid torque converters


Cars with CVTs have been common in Europe for years. But it's taken a while for the technology to gain a foothold in the United States. The first production automobile to offer a CVT in the United States was the Subaru Justy.

Sold between 1989 and 1993, the Justy never attracted the attention of American drivers. So what's different about newer CVT-based cars -- cars like the Saturn Vue, the Audi A4 and A6, the Nissan Murano and the Honda Insight? The best way to answer that question is to take one of these cars for a "test drive." The animation below, which compares the acceleration of a car with a CVT to one without, gives you a good feel for the experience.

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When you step on the gas pedal of a car with a continuously variable transmission, you notice the difference immediately. The engine revs up toward the rpms at which it produces the most power, and then it stays there. But the car doesn't react immediately. Then, a moment later, the transmission kicks in, accelerating the car slowly, steadily and without any shifts. In theory, a car with a CVT should reach 60 mph (100 km/hr) 25-percent faster than the same car with the same engine and a manual transmission [ref]. That's because the CVT converts every point on the engine's operating curve to a corresponding point on its own operating curve.

If you look at the power output curve for the car without a CVT, you can see this to be true. Notice that the tachometer in this situation shows the engine revving up and down with each gear change, which is recorded as a spike in the power output curve (and which the driver feels as a jolt).

CVTs are equally efficient on hills. There is no "gear hunting," because the CVT cycles steplessly down to a gear ratio appropriate for the driving conditions. A conventional automatic transmission shifts back and forth trying to find the right gear, which is far less efficient.

With all of their advantages, CVTs do have some shortcomings. In the United States, they are still trying to overcome an image problem. The Subaru Justy, for example, was known as a gutless micro-car. Traditionally, belt-drive CVTs were limited in the amount of torque they could handle and were larger and heavier than their automatic and manual counterparts. Technological advances have put CVTs in the realm of their competition -- the Nissan Murano's CVT can handle its 3.5-liter, 245-horsepower V6 engine -- but first impressions are hard to overcome.
   
 
 
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RE: Article on CVT (Post relevent CVT information here!)
« Reply #2 on: February 12, 2007, 01:18:47 AM »
hmm. Somehow I don't really feel it's true, dunno about you guys, but cvt seems to feel abit sluggish to me compared to 4at. Cvt stock response vs 4at stock response seems different. also, it feels pretty weak to me on a hill. maybe it's really just me..

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« Reply #3 on: February 12, 2007, 01:21:14 PM »
Hi,
Maybe its due to perception, could it be you feel like that cause when on the CVT, the engine revs are constant where a 4AT would be rising and that would translate to the perception that its going faster? When I'm driving on beach rd and taking the ECP, there's a steep hill to get on the ECP and with the CVT its really able to reach the top faster although it sounds like the car is dragging but the Speedo is rising as i'm driving up . Not trying to argue bro, just wanted to share my tots as I too initially tot my car is dragging along but then realised... hey... I'm passing alot of cars...  ;D

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RE: Article on CVT (Post relevent CVT information here!)
« Reply #4 on: February 12, 2007, 01:30:38 PM »
I have drove AT before ... my bro older car and the current Nissan CVT + older Lancer CVT. Personally, I feel the effect faster AT pickup is due to the gear change (due to AT using planetary gearing) The effect of sudden dropped of speed and sudden pickup of the speed makes one think that it is faster. But if you observe the meter properly, it does mean it pick up the speed faster.

As for CVT, in Lancer implementation, there is a rubber band feeling, i.e. step on accelerator pad and it takes a while to translate into the actual pickup thus the sluggish. Nissan Implementation is slightly better in term of that and minimizing the rubber band effect. As for the rubber band effect, I do wonder if it is the doing of the ECU?

For me, the CVT pickup is good and the speedo in fact rising up pretty fast except you dont feel the surge feel of the ATs.


Unless you do a test - stock at vs cvt. Else you wouldnt know which is better.

Moreover... the design of the CVT suppose to be longer lasting than a AT type.
« Last Edit: February 12, 2007, 01:42:26 PM by Lorddraco »
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RE: Article on CVT (Post relevent CVT information here!)
« Reply #5 on: February 12, 2007, 08:45:09 PM »
Hi,
Maybe its due to perception, could it be you feel like that cause when on the CVT, the engine revs are constant where a 4AT would be rising and that would translate to the perception that its going faster? When I'm driving on beach rd and taking the ECP, there's a steep hill to get on the ECP and with the CVT its really able to reach the top faster although it sounds like the car is dragging but the Speedo is rising as i'm driving up . Not trying to argue bro, just wanted to share my tots as I too initially tot my car is dragging along but then realised... hey... I'm passing alot of cars...  ;D
Hi bro,
no worries, i'm not the least bit offended. but Cvt really does feel this way. I do go that same road often, as my office is in golden mile complex, however, i've never driven 4at on that slope so I really can't compare.

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RE: Article on CVT (Post relevent CVT information here!)
« Reply #6 on: March 19, 2007, 09:13:51 PM »
An interesting article on the Nissan CVT

http://www.canadiandriver.com/articles/jk/060809.htm

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« Reply #7 on: September 17, 2007, 11:55:55 AM »
See our CVT in action.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ABaJidk9SJA

Have faith in our CVT. It's the future mode of transmission...

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« Reply #8 on: September 20, 2007, 10:29:32 AM »
Not too sure about CVT, I must agree it feels like stretching a rubber band. I guess if we are impatient to stretch it fast, it will breakdown faster!! Hahaha ...
Anyway, think CVT will be good if the power of the engine is high and thus it will pick up faster.
I still prefer the feel of the 4AT than the CVT - my preference.

Depending on the construction of the CVT. Newer generation of CVT are using steel belt and more advance technique/technology to make it more robust.

http://auto.howstuffworks.com/cvt.htm

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RE: Article on CVT (Post relevent CVT information here!)
« Reply #9 on: October 09, 2007, 09:30:59 PM »
This http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iTX_iYW5x10 is powerful.

I just got my Latio Premium CVT ride last Saturday.
When I press on the accelerator, I can feel the "power" to accelerate...
I am not sure abt 4AT coz i don't have a 4AT to compare...

I am still unsure how to handle my ride yet...
It's easy to hit 2500rmp when i start to drive the car. After that I try to maintain the rpm at 2k and 80km/h.
sorry, i must agree because i don't know how to disagree. agreeeee only....

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Re: Article on CVT (Post relevent CVT information here!)
« Reply #10 on: August 20, 2008, 11:56:02 PM »
Hi Bros & sis there, help needed on when to change the CVT transmission fluid? Not sure as just got my latio premium recently, my old manual car required to change transmission fluid after every 40,000KM drive. Thanks :confused1:

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Re: Article on CVT (Post relevent CVT information here!)
« Reply #11 on: August 21, 2008, 04:47:11 PM »
Autotransmission or CVT fluid is scheduled to be changed every 40,000km, but an earlier fluid change does no harm and is beneficial.

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« Reply #12 on: August 21, 2008, 09:55:58 PM »
Noted! TQ :smile:

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« Reply #13 on: August 21, 2008, 11:07:08 PM »
Autotransmission or CVT fluid is scheduled to be changed every 40,000km, but an earlier fluid change does no harm and is beneficial.
u sounds soo confident and soo knowledgeable in car technical terms in all ur posts like a Mr know it all :thumbsup:
LatioR u can check the tan chong webby below which will show u the correct cvt oil change interval which is 60,000km or 3years....
http://www.nissan.com.sg/service/pkg_psg.cfm

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« Reply #14 on: August 22, 2008, 09:20:40 AM »
u sounds soo confident and soo knowledgeable in car technical terms in all ur posts like a Mr know it all :thumbsup:
LatioR u can check the tan chong webby below which will show u the correct cvt oil change interval which is 60,000km or 3years....
http://www.nissan.com.sg/service/pkg_psg.cfm

previous car oso a cvt... i wnt want to wait till 60,000km for my latio cvt then change the CVT oil... btw 30,000-40,000 is a good time to change it... dnt think it will be expensive if we does it outside Tan Chong off the standard service plan... tat is just me :)

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« Reply #15 on: August 22, 2008, 08:50:33 PM »
previous car oso a cvt... i wnt want to wait till 60,000km for my latio cvt then change the CVT oil... btw 30,000-40,000 is a good time to change it... dnt think it will be expensive if we does it outside Tan Chong off the standard service plan... tat is just me :)
Why not every 10,000 change since not expensive? That would be even better right? gear more smoother and will convince urself ur gearbox will last longer mar right? than normal sythethic engine oil change u also wont want to change at 10k right? 5k would be a good time also engine more smooth less chance for sludge to built up in ur engine? still got a long list like brake oil,engine coolant tyres,brake pad etc......it is good to half the recommended time or milege by the manufacturer so u can feel good u had done everything u can to keep ur car smoother :zipped:

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« Reply #16 on: August 22, 2008, 08:55:32 PM »
Why not every 10,000 change since not expensive? That would be even better right? gear more smoother and will convince urself ur gearbox will last longer mar right? than normal sythethic engine oil change u also wont want to change at 10k right? 5k would be a good time also engine more smooth less chance for sludge to built up in ur engine? still got a long list like brake oil,engine coolant tyres,brake pad etc......it is good to half the recommended time or milege by the manufacturer so u can feel good u had done everything u can to keep ur car smoother :zipped:

u can go ahead at do what u recommend, its your car after all... for me, 30,000 - 40,000 will be just right.... like i mentioned before, that is jus me...

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« Reply #17 on: August 26, 2008, 02:31:24 PM »
i dont think there will be any harm to our CVT GB if we change the transmission fluid frequently other then burnt wallet. The cvt fluid must be NS-2 from Nissan, no after market type to be use. CVT NS-2 fluid is quite costly, about 90 - 110 per 4 litre. Please correct me if i'm wrong ...  :thumbsup:

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« Reply #18 on: August 27, 2008, 10:11:18 PM »
Thanks fri13th for more info :thumbsup:..by the way, anyone know how to check the quality of CVT oil other than just change every 60kkm or 3 yrs. Mine, just reached 45kkm but already 3yrs liao..Got this 3yrs Latio in Jun 08..Don't feel like to change yet as it's costly mah... :D

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« Reply #19 on: August 28, 2008, 10:25:49 AM »
Thanks fri13th for more info :thumbsup:..by the way, anyone know how to check the quality of CVT oil other than just change every 60kkm or 3 yrs. Mine, just reached 45kkm but already 3yrs liao..Got this 3yrs Latio in Jun 08..Don't feel like to change yet as it's costly mah... :D

find the dip stick for the auto box, and check the color of the oil... my previous cvt oil original is red, turn black must change... as my latio only 9mth.. i still dnt knw wat is the original color and where is the dip stick for the auto box...

till date, only hear bad things about the belt tensioner and battery... not heard anything bad about nissan cvt in latio yet... hee...