How is the FC after changing to 16"?

[clarence]

Morning LatioR,
I have read that the rubber will hardened if exposed to UV, heat and water, usually this apply to used tyres. But for brand new that are properly sealed can last for quite some time but nobody dare to commit the lifespan.

You can still drive with your stock toyo tyre for more than 3 yrs for 47,000km already, so dun tell me if the same manufactured date that is sealed cannot be use ? Logic ? Maybe the tyre shop will sell at a discount for long storage for new tyres ? And I have not heard of expiry date for tyres.

Anyway it a good practice to check your tyres regularly. 

There is actually a greater possibility for new tyres in storage to deteriorate faster as the rubber is not "flexed", ie. not being rotated, as fitted on a car and being driven.

Even your pencil eraser will harden if not used over a prolonged period.

That is also how a new tyre fitted to a car can get flat spot if the owner travels overseas frequently, seldom uses his car and the parked car's tyres are left to carry the weight of the car on just one spot.

Unless the sealed tyres are stored in a temperature and humidity controlled environment, there is a even higher possibility of mid dew and mould and fungus building up on the tyres, beneath the warmth of the wrappers.

[Jazz]

There is actually a greater possibility for new tyres in storage to deteriorate faster as the rubber is not "flexed", ie. not being rotated, as fitted on a car and being driven.

Even your pencil eraser will harden if not used over a prolonged period.

That is also how a new tyre fitted to a car can get flat spot if the owner travels overseas frequently, seldom uses his car and the parked car's tyres are left to carry the weight of the car on just one spot.

Unless the sealed tyres are stored in a temperature and humidity controlled environment, there is a even higher possibility of mid dew and mould and fungus building up on the tyres, beneath the warmth of the wrappers.

Hi,
You are telling us a brand new tyre will "deteriorate" faster than a used tyre ?

Your eraser analogy is based on new or used, if used I agreed to a certain extend but if new sealed with plastic under room temperature then I dare to challenge you with my >20 yrs old Stabilo rubber with me, the elasticity is still strong.

Do you know exactly what is a flat spot ? Pls refer to this http://www.bikewebsite.com/bikeof.htm. So pls do us a favour, you will not happy if I tell you BS or mis-leading info again, you know where you stand. Peace.

[LatioR]

Hi,
You are telling us a brand new tyre will "deteriorate" faster than a used tyre ?

Your eraser analogy is based on new or used, if used I agreed to a certain extend but if new sealed with plastic under room temperature then I dare to challenge you with my >20 yrs old Stabilo rubber with me, the elasticity is still strong.

Do you know exactly what is a flat spot ? Pls refer to this http://www.bikewebsite.com/bikeof.htm. So pls do us a favour, you will not happy if I tell you BS or mis-leading info again, you know where you stand. Peace.

Hi jazz, for me, I don't have any fact of how long the tyre quality will deteriorate but ever change my spare tyre of age > 14yrs (i guessed) which is never been used before as it's still look brand new. Once you look at the tyre, the colour look very funny (eg..look like very shining with really dark black which doesn't look like normal tyre and really you can feel that it's have became harden). Again, been advise by my cousin in law who owned the tyre shop is Malaysia, it's not advisable for long distance travel, even though talking abt >30km and that why after replacing the worn out tyre (with minimum thread left), i changed the spare tyre with the used tyre which at least still can allow me to travel for 100 ~200km (i guess)...

[Jazz]

Hi jazz, for me, I don't have any fact of how long the tyre quality will deteriorate but ever change my spare tyre of age > 14yrs (i guessed) which is never been used before as it's still look brand new. Once you look at the tyre, the colour look very funny (eg..look like very shining with really dark black which doesn't look like normal tyre and really you can feel that it's have became harden). Again, been advise by my cousin in law who owned the tyre shop is Malaysia, it's not advisable for long distance travel, even though talking abt >30km and that why after replacing the worn out tyre (with minimum thread left), i changed the spare tyre with the used tyre which at least still can allow me to travel for 100 ~200km (i guess)...

Hi LatioR,
You bought a second hand car which is 14 yrs old or you really owned a car for 14 yrs ? 

I have searched the web and found no one dare to commit or estimate the lifespan of a tyre. I agree on your spare tyre explanation coz the tyre is not sealed and is exposed to heat therefore it will definitely harden. But how many of us will bother to change our spare tyre ? 

[LatioR]

Hi LatioR,
You bought a second hand car which is 14 yrs old or you really owned a car for 14 yrs ? 

I have searched the web and found no one dare to commit or estimate the lifespan of a tyre. I agree on your spare tyre explanation coz the tyre is not sealed and is exposed to heat therefore it will definitely harden. But how many of us will bother to change our spare tyre ? 

Hi Jazz, no lah, i bought the used car, toyota corolla 1.6M (abt ~2.5yrs ago) which is still look good and do not wish to pay installment for too long (=> used car is better option then). The FC for a start still can hit ~11km/l but at the time I sold it, the FC is abt 8.5km/l liao and decided to change to Latio (instead of Altis) and in turn, can save me abt $150 ~ $200/mth or $1.8k to $2k per annual..

[Ying]

LatioR,
        How you put a 185/65/15 tyre in the spare tyre compartment? I wanted to do that last time (the tyre shop offer to sell me a lonely 15inch sport rim for spare tire @$50) but it does not fit well, the depth of the compartment is not enough.

        There are occation I have to drive on long malaysian small road at night, I will be the type of person who bother to change the spare tyre to normal size, Spare tire can not make it on those road. 

[LatioR]

Hi ying, sorry to dissaponited u as the spare tyre is refer to my old car spare tyre not the latio lah Not sure how to do
the same to latio

[clarence]

LatioR,
        How you put a 185/65/15 tyre in the spare tyre compartment? I wanted to do that last time (the tyre shop offer to sell me a lonely 15inch sport rim for spare tire @$50) but it does not fit well, the depth of the compartment is not enough.

        There are occation I have to drive on long malaysian small road at night, I will be the type of person who bother to change the spare tyre to normal size, Spare tire can not make it on those road. 

My Latio spare tyre is also 185/65R15 on those black steel rims. As long as you sports rims is of  a similar size, it shoudl fit in the spare tyre compartment. It should not bulge out as the width is the same as stock tyre at 185.

[LatioR]

Thanks Clarence for the clarification, should do the same when plan to change 2 of the 4 stock tyres early next year. Thanks.

[Silver]

just bear to check if the spare tyre compartments of the first few batches of Latio are shallower than those of the later batches

[Ying]

just bear to check if the spare tyre compartments of the first few batches of Latio are shallower than those of the later batches

I think so, mine is early batch. me and the tire shop owner had try to fit in a 185/65/15 but really can't and the spare tyre is smaller than stock tire.

[clarence]

Hi,
You are telling us a brand new tyre will "deteriorate" faster than a used tyre ?

Your eraser analogy is based on new or used, if used I agreed to a certain extend but if new sealed with plastic under room temperature then I dare to challenge you with my >20 yrs old Stabilo rubber with me, the elasticity is still strong.

Do you know exactly what is a flat spot ? Pls refer to this http://www.bikewebsite.com/bikeof.htm. So pls do us a favour, you will not happy if I tell you BS or mis-leading info again, you know where you stand. Peace.

I don't think your Stabilo eraser has to bear the weight of a 1.2 tonne vehicle.   

A sealed tyre even when placed at room temperature in the warehouse is subject to the punishing moisture from the surroundings and high temperatures. The "sealed" wrapper is not air tight.

If you don't believe, you go and try to buy those on "Sale" and "new" sealed tyres that have been sealed and kept in the warehouse at room temperature for a few years, and install them in your Latio.

Then maybe you can come back and tell us if you are still alive after using those "New and Sealed Tyres."   

And please don't ask me if this is hear say or if I've tried it. I'm waiting for you to be the guinea pig.   

[vortex]

A sealed tyre even when placed at room temperature in the warehouse is subject to the punishing moisture from the surroundings and high temperatures. The "sealed" wrapper is not air tight.

I'm more in favour of bro clarence. Given the hot climate and humidity, even for the so called 'sealed' tyres will not last forever. Moreover the permeability of the oxygen will penetrate into the 'wrapper' of the tyre and cause gradually deterioration of the rubber. Of course if in cold climate, the condition would have been better, meaning longer shelf life. This is a fact ! Oxygen, light and moisture are some of the worst 'enemies' for a stable product.

Peace ! Just share what our belief. It may be different school of thoughts 

[Jazz]

I don't think your Stabilo eraser has to bear the weight of a 1.2 tonne vehicle.   

A sealed tyre even when placed at room temperature in the warehouse is subject to the punishing moisture from the surroundings and high temperatures. The "sealed" wrapper is not air tight.

If you don't believe, you go and try to buy those on "Sale" and "new" sealed tyres that have been sealed and kept in the warehouse at room temperature for a few years, and install them in your Latio.

Then maybe you can come back and tell us if you are still alive after using those "New and Sealed Tyres."   

And please don't ask me if this is hear say or if I've tried it. I'm waiting for you to be the guinea pig.   

I not sure what do you mean by eraser bear the weight of 1.2 tonne vehicle, maybe a moron will understand you since you started this pencil eraser assumption.

Are you working in a tyre company or still schooling ? How do you know it not properly sealed and not tight ?

As I mentioned, pls do not be insinuating and be a smart alec generate groundless facts like flatspot etc.

If you buy for me, I will dare to be your guinea pig, do you dare to take this challenge ?

[Jazz]

I'm more in favour of bro clarence. Given the hot climate and humidity, even for the so called 'sealed' tyres will not last forever. Moreover the permeability of the oxygen will penetrate into the 'wrapper' of the tyre and cause gradually deterioration of the rubber. Of course if in cold climate, the condition would have been better, meaning longer shelf life. This is a fact ! Oxygen, light and moisture are some of the worst 'enemies' for a stable product.

Peace ! Just share what our belief. It may be different school of thoughts 

Helli vortex,

Just 1 point to share, do you think distributors or retailers will want to lose money for those not sellable tyres ? There are always ways and means to recover or recycle all these unuse tyres if they do not have proper storage place. Secondly they are able to export to those 3rd world country, that what I know of.

[LatioR]

I not sure what do you mean by eraser bear the weight of 1.2 tonne vehicle, maybe a moron will understand you since you started this pencil eraser assumption.

Are you working in a tyre company or still schooling ? How do you know it not properly sealed and not tight ?

As I mentioned, pls do not be insinuating and be a smart alec generate groundless facts like flatspot etc.

If you buy for me, I will dare to be your guinea pig, do you dare to take this challenge ?

Hi Jazz & Clarence, do not need to be so serious one mah..to each is his own mah..just share yr advise/opinion and let the rest to decide who to believe in lah..  

[clarence]

No worries. 

A forum is for sharing. 

Just some healthy discussion. 

But Jazz called me a moron for no reason.          

[Jazz]

No worries. 

A forum is for sharing. 

Just some healthy discussion. 

But Jazz called me a moron for no reason.          

Ahem, dun put words into my mouth hor, did I called you names ? Pls read again. 

[vortex]

Helli vortex,

Just 1 point to share, do you think distributors or retailers will want to lose money for those not sellable tyres ? There are always ways and means to recover or recycle all these unuse tyres if they do not have proper storage place. Secondly they are able to export to those 3rd world country, that what I know of.

Of course the distributors will not lose money to keep the unsellable tyres, hence they will push for products that are close to expiry dates. I saw someway in the website that we should not buy tyres that are around 4 years old.

Hence old types do have quality issue even they are properly sealed. 

Think they are misunderstanding between you and clarence. Sometimes exchange of words can be quite hot, even thought they do not meant to be nasty. Let's put everthing behind to make this forum a better place to share ideas and comments. 

[Redsunns]

wow 4 pages, but most posts do not link to the thread title.